Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS for PC

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Great stick but proving problematic Was a very good hotas to start with but after 4 months it started showing wear as in sloppy centering and not as accurate as it was. Now that ive owned it nearly 6 months the yaw pickup in the stick twist jumps violently to the left making use of fixed weapons in game near impossible.It will go through periods that its ok for a couple hours then start jumping left. The warranty procedure has been slow and they keep asking for more info and videos of the malfunction. Its been a month since i opened my ticked for repair and its my belief that they are trying to wait out my warranty so they dont have to honer it. Will change review if they complete warranty. 2Develops jitter after a few months. The joystick was great at the start, and I'll agree with what most of the reviews have to say on that front. It is really hard to find anything better without spending quite a bit more. I've enjoyed using this with Elite Dangerous for almost a year, until...... recently the throttle rocker switch (z rotation axis) has been developing a really nasty jitter when pushed in one direction. It goes away when I move it in the other direction. I wouldn't say that it makes the throttle useless, but it is extremely annoying as I use this axis for navigating menu pages which go flying all over the place if I forget and try to navigate to the right. In windows the axis goes from 0-1024, and if I move it in the one direction it centers on 512. However, if I move it in the other direction the value jitters all the way from maybe 600-1000, and after a few seconds it eventually returns to 512.So, be warned you could end up with a bad one. I'm still trying to figure out what the manufacturer warranty is on this as it is hard to find. 3Makes flying in Elite Dangerious soo much easier!! Bought this for Elite Dangerious after my husband got me hooked. I had been using a controller since I was horrible with the keyboard and mouse controls.One of the main reasons why I bought this over other HOTAS was for the rudder/yaw axis. Some cheaper ones out there for sure but this has the sensitivity of the Warthog but with the twisting yaw on the joystick as well as the pedals on the throttle.Setup is NOT easy. Unlike what the website and directions say, DONT BOTHER WITH THEIR SOFTWARE! Elite handles this setup natively. When I tied to used their keybinding software things got weird. As soon as I used ED without it everything was fine.All you need to do is get a binding you like off the website edrefcard.info and copy it into your elite bindings folder (instructions on that website). You can then customize your setup all you want. You can then feed your CUSTOM binding file into that same website to get a layout of what button is where until you get used to it.I suggest opening up the game controllers panel through win10 to figure out which button is which because they were different than what the official website and manual had them as. Numbering s were in different orders and some switches are two buttons, some are single axis.One thing I will warn buyers of, the throttle seems a little lightweight and I had to use some Command Velcro strips to keep it from sliding around. This could be because My hands are very light and not putting the downward pressure other people do. However whenever I d get to the midway point it would catch and slide for a millimeter or so along my desk. Doesn t sound like a big deal until you realize my throttle would stick in that middle point just when I needed FINE control. Either adding some weight to the base or finding a way to mount these eliminates this problem entirely.Highly recommend this setup to ANYONE with a flight-sim! 5Mid-Level Gear, Low-Level Price UPDATED For the price, I find it is a very nice combination for playing Elite: Dangerous in VR. I changed a few of the default T.A.R.G.E.T. mappings for elite to make it more suited to VR.The stick is incredible sensitive, and returns to center well. I would call it a medium spring weight.I also use the TFRP flight pedals. Removing the hand wrest makes the stick more comfortable for a person with large hands like me. I'm not much of a reviewer, but I like this stick. With the price/performance I love this stick.UPDATE: This stick has gotten some heavy use and I'm happy to report it still functions perfectly. I did use some NyoGel 767a to get it nice and lubed, but it wasn't required, I jest like the feel better. They are mounted to a plank with a 60% keyboard between them that I clamp to my desk to play Elite. 4read on but the short and sweet is, if you want the best HOTAS that ... Quality, accuracy and functionality. That is the main difference between this and every other HOTAS under $400. If you want to know why, read on but the short and sweet is, if you want the best HOTAS that gives you 6 degrees of movement under $400 this is it. You can buy the Thrustmaster Warthog and a set of high quality pedals for over $400 but the jump in price doesn t justify the difference you get IMO but you could go that route.Now as to how we got here, Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous and DCS have revived the market for these HOTAS setups. For the longest time there weren t any new HOTAS setups on the market because there were no games to warrant the investment by the companies that make them. This has all changed and this is the first HOTAS setup developed from the ground up for the games people want them for. The joystick is a redesign of the T.16000 that has been available but that didn t need changing at all, while the throttle is all new and thoroughly thought out. The built quality is excellent and the size is appropriate so it can fit on your desk along with your mouse and keyboard. The weight distribution is spot on so it stays put while you re playing and everything is pinpoint accurate. I used a X52 an X52 Pro and own a X55, they are ALL overpriced right now. If you were looking at them a year ago, they were all AT LEAST $50 cheaper than what they are now and they were overpriced THEN for the products you get. Saitek just jacked up the prices because people were starting to buy them. I put CH products in this category as well after seeing a teardown of their HOTAS; it s higher quality than Saitek but still overpriced. With Thrustmaster you re getting what you pay for. Bottom line, under $400 there is no competition for the quality, accuracy and functionally you get with this HOTAS. 5Purchased for Star Citizen. Great for the price! I purchased this HOTAS setup to use with Star Citizen and it works great! Would be hard to beat the value for the price here. My only complaint is that the stick has a lot of resistance to it, and my hand starts to cramp after 30-40 minutes of intense dogfighting with it. It would be perfect if there was a way to adjust the spring tension. I've been looking at tutorials for modifying it manually by opening it up and modifying the spring, but this is a huge amount of hassle. 4Excellent controller for a beginner, solid option for an experienced user who doesn't want to spend a fortune I've been using game controllers for decades now so I tend to be a bit picky sometimes. That said, this HOTAS is an excellent option, especially considering the price point. It's perfect for Elite Dangerous, the game I use it for currently, and works very well for me. As of this review I've been using it for a month now and it's been consistently performing without glitches or any trouble at all.I picked this HOTAS up because I was tired of the issues I'd had with my X55 and X56. Logitech's support was excellent but I would rather have fewer buttons and fewer issues than the risk of issues I'd been dealing with persisting. My plan is to use the Thrustmaster one while saving up for one of the almost absurdly expensive options but since that's probably more than a year away at best, this one will do quite nicely. I plan to also pick up the rudder pedals eventually since they're the only ones that will fit in my Obutto oZone. (I could have spent the extra on the other Obutto model but it seemed a little silly for the added features.)The only thing I don't like about this product is there seems to be no easy way to control the light on the stick. I'd rather it be either on or off instead of coming on whenever I move the stick. That's a pretty minor thing, though, and definitely not worth reducing my rating of it. For the price point, it's perfectly suitable and a great value. 5Buying this was a mistake. My initial impression was very badly mistaken. This is not a nicely featured mid-range HOTAS. It's a tragic symphony of misdesign and pretense.The throttle wasn't dead right out of the box but it didn't last long either.I was under my desk setting up cable control points and managed to knock it off my deak... my bad.But, hang on a sec. I've knock my cell phone off the same desk from the same hieght probably a dozen times without damage.What could be so delicate about this thing that it died so easily?I opened it up. There's one PC board in there smaller than the one in my cell phone.What I don't see is anything cracked or in any sort of disorder.While I don't keep an inspection microscope handy, I do have a 10x jeweler's loope.Even using this I had a time finding the problem... There is a tiny little inductor... basically a coil of super thin wire wrapped around a tiny little bit of something, looks like black plastic, and it is only soldered to the tiny little contact pad on one side.Unless someone has a microsoldering rework station lying around this is way beyond a quick hit with a soldering iron and fixed... not gonna happen.Let's look at how useful it was before it stopped working.Three 4-way hats on the thumb station with one button at the bottom of the control group...Not a horrible layout.The actuation axis of two of the hats are just a bit clumsy....and that's where the good news ends.a mouse hat under the index finger position works okay... feels fragile though.A two position toggle in station 2 seems to have decent enough function for forward/reverse thrust for the throttle controller... why it worked so inconsistently in actual use will have to remain a mystery.Two buttons at stations 3 and 4 work well enough.A 2-D paddle spans across all of this and isn't quite as ungainly and awkward at it seems.and a pinky wheel at the end actually had a feel like it was durrible.Unless you remove your hand entirely to do something on the keyboard, it doesn't present a problem.Everything has good tactile recognition surfaces so it only takes a moment to sort your hand back into position blindfolded.So... The throttle unit, aside from being a lighyweight piece of cheap plastic worked pretty well... while it worked.And now, the joystick.One trigger switch... works okay.Feels like a two staged trigger but it has no two stage function.One 8-way hat. Out of every feature in both pieces this is the least wrong. It works, works well and its placement and orientation to the egonomics of the human hand are decently comfortable.One secondary trigger... so badly placed that you can count on actuating it accidentally while using the 8-way hat.Two additional buttons in the thumb station that are functional.12 buttons on the base that shouldn't even be there. They can't be used without taking your hands off the controls.That makes them completely useless...Even the number of teats on a boar hog have relevence for the number of hogs in a litter.This isn't a boar hog. It's a chicken.Then there's a slider as well.Not just badly placed, but it doesn't function properly. It's plastic junk that was stuck on as an afterthought in a useless location.but what about the basic joystick functions...Yaw, pitch, roll...I was testing it out in a dogfight with a meh NPC.In yaw-into-roll death spiral I pulled up on the stick and heard something snap.It didn't come appart in my hand and it didn't stop working but It made a noise that betrays fragility...I don't buy fragile...I don't buy anything that even might be fragile.When I bought this I got a 4 year warranty thingy with it.I haven't bothered. I do not want it back fixed.I do not want this thing back as designed, on its best day. 1Good stick, weird support. It's a good joystick and throttle. But I hesitate to give it 4 stars for a couple of reasons. 1) It didn't take long for the Z-axis on the stick (rotation) to flake out. Registering movement where there was none. These things happen, and I wouldn't have docked a star except.... 2) Their support process seems a little... onerous. They required me to upload a picture of the serial number on the unit, upload a picture of the amazon invoice, and a video of the joystick, with the joystick control panel visible on the screen, of the issue I was having. 3Decent, but not everything I had hoped for. I've been an avid space sim fan for years, and have owned and flown Elite Dangerous since it was in Beta. I've owned and worn out two previous HOTAS setups from another manufacturer, so based on all of the positive reviews I decided to try the Trustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller. I was excited about it, as I've owned Thrustmaster products in the past and they've all been great.So let me begin by saying that the Flight Stick part of this HOTAS is great! It's very accurate and easily fits in my rather large hands. It isn't too large or clumsy like some other brands, it just feels right. The only complaint I'd have about the stick is that the button placement at the base is a bit out of the way, and not really too useful. Unfortunately, the throttle part of the HOTAS was not up to my expectations. The sliding action on a level plane was a bit unusual for me based on the other products I had used, but wasn't an issue. The button placement and switches are sufficient and well placed, but after just a couple of weeks the use of the throttle during acceleration and deceleration began sticking and wasn't smooth at all. I found it difficult to make slight adjustments because of this issue, and sometimes have to apply more downward pressure than I feel necessary in order to get smoother movement. Unfortunately I'm thinking that I need to begin the search for a better replacement for the throttle, and sadly this is just after a couple months of use.All in all this is a decent budget HOTAS if you're short on cash and can tolerate some of the issues I've mentioned with the throttle. I can only award it three stars based on my experience, unless for some reason the throttle starts working better and smooths out. I'm not going to hold my breath though. 3

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